There are many, many readings of the story available, with the movie itself embracing a sort of dream/nightmare logic. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). > Take another listen. The official cause of death was from a heart attack. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. But then, Ziegler's 'explanation', his retconningof past events, only serves to further propel Bill into subjectivedestitution, another 'replay' of Bill's unmasking at Somerton, Zieglerpower-presiding over Bill's position and status at a red pool-tablemuch like Red Cloak presided over the power ritual on a red carpet atSomerton. Amazing. Yes, the three scenes - at Ziegler's party, at the Somerton ritualthe following night, and at the hospital morgue the next day - thatfeature Mandy/the 'masked woman' - remain ambiguous to the end. WebEyes Wide Shut (1999) Abigail Good: Mysterious Woman, Masked Party Principal Showing all 3 items Jump to: Quotes (3) Quotes Mysterious Woman : Stop! :>released around the same time, The Ninth Gate. It iscertainly distinctly possible that the woman at the party is otherthan the woman at the Somerton ritual, though the former does appearto be the Mandy that ends up in the morgue (she never made it to'rehab', as Dr Bill had suggested but never bothered following up,just later shunted home by Ziegler's heavies); remember, we only haveZiegler's explanation/confirmation that they are the same 'Mandy',hardly a reliable witness given his contradictory assertionsthroughout the film. Next: The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story. > Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the > Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow > our mind. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 5:36:03 PM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, byend.removethisbityousillyper@eskimo.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inLfK535oxs. This is the implication of Dream Storytoo - with the movie being quite faithful to the structure of the novella - though Kubrick obviously leaves this moment up to interpretation. WebSynopsis. But examine the frame showing the overhead shot in the morgue, with all the shots of Mandy in the bathroom. When Bill asks what, she simply responds, "Fuck." Eyes Wide Shut developed after Stanley Kubrick read Arthur Schnitzler's Dream Story in 1968, when Kubrick was looking for a project to follow 2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick was interested in adapting the story, and with the help of journalist Jay Cocks, bought the filming rights to the novel. In fact, the only actual dream in the film is unseen, is onlylater described - namely, Alice's dream/nightmare about having sexwith numerous men (strikingly similar to the fate of the women atSomerton) in which Bill is openly humiliated, and told to Bill justafer he returns from Somerton. Somerton could hardly be >>>>>> described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any > way. Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would > she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it?>> Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, ME> You can identify Pollack's eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups.>. Technology has caught up with his disguises andcovers. > No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare > clear and she has a very distinctive voice. Orgy? If we try > to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries and > much conjecture. OT. ", and for those whom may have something like an actual interest in, > In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <. >>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<. "anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? Regardless of the different actresses in the credits, what I see is that the woman at the ceremony, who redeems him, apparently the "mysterious woman," has a small freckle/mole on her chest about 2 inches to her left side of center, above her breasts, which I think, can also be seen slightly on the corpse. I am normally the last guy in the> world to criticize somebody for using big words. Statanic mass? in fact if you look very closely, Mandy on the Slab, winks. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. and she replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," Mandy says, "I know." or psychotherapists. He treated her as a not-very-importantpatient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply >> "Rhizomatic uncertainties"?>> I actually had to look that up. It was a > party nevertheless. > But the credits have Abigail Good as> "mysterious woman" and Julienne Davis as Mandy. (Just like we dream alone, even if we're in bed with someone else.). <<<<<<<<<<. I am normally the last guy in the, > world to criticize somebody for using big words. Models at the party attended by the Royal Family. 0. I trhink Steven Lizberger is right. You can identify Pollacks eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups. Its common sense he was referring to Somerton as the party. WebEyes Wide Shut. Those critics of EWS must have > been delerious. Like much of the director's work like The Shining, movie fans love to debate the symbolism and meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one night when his wife admits to having had adulterous thoughts. >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. WebOne of the masked women warns him he is in terrible danger. The point, however, is that even if all three female> 'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the same> character), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not to> mention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<>. He's eventually discovered and forced to remove his mask but is saved from a bleak fate by another masked woman who tried to warn him to leave earlier. Eyes Wide Shut is a 1999 erotic mystery psychological drama film directed, produced and co-written by Stanley Kubrick. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). ". ", "Victor what can I say. But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world. When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professionaldoctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety thanabout Mandy's actual wellbeing. He then breaks down crying and confesses to Alice his misadventures of the past few days. He discovers an underground sexual group and attends one of their meetings -- and quickly discovers that he is in over his head. >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. He > was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," > were killers. Those critics of EWS must have been delerious. >>>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he had> referred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)> party, it would still be uncertain, because>> 1. >What else could he call it? WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. Imay bewrong, but I think Kubrick intended it that way. Tom Cruise in the Masked Ball ritual scene from Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece Eyes Wide Shut with Jocelyn Pook's haunting score filling the temple. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? I enjoy the mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the film again and again. How manypayments of $19.99 was that, again?-- "History is a lie agreed upon." : I like the Ninth Gate alot and have watched it numerous times but it's quite. So check out Mandy's Wink on the slab---it's very fast, but it is there:), Yeah but he used the same actor for different roles in Dr Strangeloveand in some scenes of Eyes Wide Shut he has Cruise on a treadmillagainst a blue screen using real photography of NYC behind him, thenin the next scene Cruise is filmed against a set in england. I think the voice would have rung a bell and > the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course > seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so > he was in shock. It's not like he is going to voice all his thoughts. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. He has written words for Den of Geek, Collider, The Irish Times and Screen Rant over the years, and can discuss anything from the MCU - where Hawkeye is clearly the best character - to the most obscure cult b-movie gem, and his hot takes often require heat resistant gloves to handle. But maybe he's just practicing forhis Boddhisatva qualification tests.- you know, the 'enlightening thegreat unwashed masses' thing. >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade.>>, >>>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a total> denial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it's> all just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions of> Bill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to saying> that everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all> 'in his mind'). But he still wasn't sure after reading the news story, or even aftervisiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanationindicated. They paid off the desk cleark to tell Bill, that Nick was being roughed up, or perhaps the clerk is one of those men dancing with men at the ceremony/orgy and in fact Mandy, although on the slab was not really dead. (Video in comments) : r/Ghostbc Jocelyn Pook and Opening Title Music from Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | walkerhomeschoolblog. The lower part is made of paper-mache, while the upper one WebThe masked woman in the secret party appears to be Mandy (Amanda Curran), who overdosed on speedball in the movies opening, and Bill revived her. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<. Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. WebThe bodies of more completely nude masked women assail Bills voyeuristic eyes (and those of the audience). <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is still a mystery. I'm your Mutineer~ - Warren Zevon- -. He treated her as a not-very-important> patient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery.>, Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast.>, > How? When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him atthe orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? Somerton could hardly be> >>>>>> described (and>> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, -- Dennis/Endyhttp://home.comcast.net/~endymion91/~I was born to rock the boat. As 1999 approached, what little was known about Eyes Wide Shut was almost indecently tantalising. He was a master ofthatslight of hand stuff. for the morgue scene but it is still meant to be the same Mandy. If it was all a elaborate part of Bill's initiation into the order. The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at the same time, being simplke and concrete. No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" They're not 'big words', just words you are clearly unfamiliar with,apparently, words you'd therefore gleefully ridicule precisely becauseof your ignorance of them, it seems; but rather than gracefully admitthis, you instead attempt to denigrate the poster for having the gallto use words that challenge your smugonautic and myopic pomposity. andpleading with her to take off her mask? So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do you want me to say..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. Changes within the building seem to lack that phone booth sense of urgency and drama. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Bill> has been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-> vis Mandy and the masked woman. Statanic mass? Is that how youwould describe it? > slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. Not only are they the REAL "anti-intellectuals," they were schizoid as hell and projected it onto the social mess, creating political gibberish, that has NO usefulness to anyone. In a buddhist sutra, Sakyamuni, criticized the compulsive mental masturbators and referred to them as people "counting ganges sands." And of course how did the mask get on his pillow? But he can't know for sure (because she wasmasked at Somerton). The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.' because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film > audience.>, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of> 'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simply> because of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?> And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member of> the power elite? You know perfectly well what was meant, Mr Glib Pedant but if youwant to Labour on it, as opposed to labor on it >> [ more stuff snipped ]>> > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? But that's not the half of it. Weve got a beautiful feminine version of the lead mask that features a baroque pattern and crystal embellishments, as well as a feathered mask similar to the Somerton could hardly be described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.' - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask <<<<<<<<<<<<. The masked woman was played by a different actor but is the samecharacter. The goal of yoga practice was to STOP all that useless babble---because that is how a person actually makes the breakthrough to see reality as it is. <<<<<<<<. In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is) on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. >In a big crowd of masked> people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is). Padraig has been writing about film online since 2012, when a friend asked if he'd like to contribute the occasional review or feature to their site. ANSWERS: 4. --And men fancied he was dusted in gold. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? The second, and more terrifying suggestion, is the mask is a final warning from the secret society for Bill to drop any further investigation or the fate that befell the woman who saved him could be visited upon Alice. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? The lost of public phones booths will kill off Superman, Dr. Who, and Colin Farrell roles. >He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. And coming from the newsgroup'sresident acid-headed, solipsistic zombie. The Daily Planet may go under too. >on the balcony looking down> at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. Statanic mass?>, > <<<<<<<<<
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