During the Second World War, thousands of black American soldiers stationed in Britain were befriended by white Britons who opposed efforts by the white military to segregate them. But oddly enough, people like Olusoga havent given me the cash yet. And this of course neatly addresses MBEs arguments. She had no interest in esoteric discussions of the war. Arguably wrong in a crimes against humanity way (similar language of natural justice and universal morality indeed being used by the abolitionists and the UK itself when it tried to enforce a ban on the trade) that made it inherently illegal even when governments tried to put it on a legal footing. David Olusoga, 49, is a television presenter and historian. In the case of slavery the answer is clear. David will . Sooner or later, we whites are going to have to take a stand, and say we aint taking this any more. @ Boganboy His dad met his mom at the city's university in the 1960s. 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Eventually, 11,000 separate British slave-trading expeditions resulted in the trafficking of three-and-a-half-million Africans to the New World plantations, the greatest forced migration in modern history until the 20th century. Women such as Elizabeth Heyrick continued to lobby for the abolition of slavery. Sugar plantations were bad. The historian and producer said he wanted to. This is indeed tu quoque. I know there are posters on here who see stepping into their opponents perspective as a dangerous and pointless endeavour that gives undue worth to a viewpoint they despise, but purely as a mental exercise theres usually something to be said for examining your opponents strongest argument instead of their weakest. There is plenty of slavery about we just do not call it that. Mans a loon. He was born in Nigeria but arrived in the . and while the responsible state still exists, Theres a fundamental weakness with all theories of universal law or justice, which is that across time and space, the human conception of what is right and just seems to be extremely varied and rarely (to modern Western eyes) pleasant.. Would the good professor really be so different if genealogical records could prove he had African ancestors who owned African slaves? If black lives really mattered these people would be protesting the 500 shot dead so far by predominantly black men in Chicago this year. The arguments do you want to get shaken down for several trillion? The Royal African Company, established by Charles II in 1672, eventually enslaved and transported more Africans than any other company in British history. 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I personally dont find that as convincing as the case that slaves themselves deserved compensation, and while there were strong political and practical reasons owners were compensated upon abolition but not their former slaves, it doesnt leave a great moral taste in the mouth that twas so. The arguments do you want to get shaken down for several trillion?. There is no reason to think that slavery was nicer in Africa. He is the author of the 2016 book Black and British: A Forgotten History, which was awarded both the Longman-History Today Trustees Award 2017 and the PEN Hessell-Tiltman Prize 2017. MBE, do not entertain these people, not for one second. Slaves were crowded in a new environment with new diseases. In the system that made Sloane wealthy, black women sought out herbs, plant species that he carefully identified and categorised, and used them to induce abortions, determined as many were not to bring into the world children who would be born items of property and destined to live short, brutalised lives. Prof David Olusoga has presented numerous documentaries including A House Through Time and Black and Black and British: A Forgotten History, Olaudah Equiano played a role in Britain's abolishment of slavery, Performer Giles Terera has written a play featuring Equiano, Prof Olusoga said when it was published, people did not believe the book was by an African as it was deemed so well written, Bernardine Evaristo (second left) has launched a series called Black Britain: Writing Back which features novels by black British authors that have been overlooked, Should black history be taught all year round? How could Britain, a civilised and Christian nation, indulge in rape, torture, killing and the forced labour of Africans over two centuries? You should know better. Dont even get me started on the Moors, Arabs and Ottomans, As for getting rich many African tribes kept slaves and their societies did not get rich. Peter Olusoga. And I dont think this is what reparations campaigners are calling for either, as I understand it their argument includes systematic legacy issues not just the period of slavery itself, so the harm relates more directly to them not just their ancestors. He presents a one sided and biased picture of slavery which takes no account of the African participation in it. Well one economist has worked out the amount to be paid (although not on a damages basis, when one imagines blacks might end up paying whites, but on a close the wealth gap basis): A renowned economist has said that $12 trillion should be afforded to black Americans in reparation for slavery to help the close wealth gap. The evidence of this is that seasoned slaves, those exposed to the environment, sold for up to 50% more than new ones. ), Who is fundamentally right about reparations for slavery? Cest de la trs bonne dialectique conomique. Very little sugar on the mainland. Cheap ass presentism. In the end, wholl be proven right about the matter practically, in terms of what the outcome is and what the first drafts of history say? Like the Nigerian slavers who enslaved and sold the slaves, you mean? His exposure to Nigerian culture seems quite limited. If there were African states with legal continuity to those political entities which established and encouraged the African slave markets, they would be on the hook too, but theres a discontinuity due to colonialism and besides, everyone knows to sue the rich guy not the poor guy. Certainly they killed them casually often for religious reasons. The strongest case I can see against reparations is not fundamentally a legal one but perhaps one degree abstracted the law if we can litigate that, we can litigate a heck of a lot of stuff from centuries past, tie our legal systems up in knots with no obvious limits in sight. Surely the US has already spent much more than that on black Americans. And that still stands even if there really are a bunch of torturing murderers out there too. "Equiano is the most important voice that we have from the British experience of slavery and the slave trade," he said. David Olusoga is a 49-year-old historian and presenter Credit: Getty - Contributor David Olusoga is a British Nigerian historian, broadcaster and writer. To be honest, I was a bit sceptical about the Olympics coming to London, but the atmosphere across the capital was genuinely wonderful . No. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. It can be withdrawn. If you want to pay more tax, just write a cheque to HMRC and send it off. Tim says there might be some truth to them for the Caribbean. He has discovered new and exciting research materials in African archives, among them the Register of Liberated Africans in Sierra Leone, which list names, bodily details, ethnicity and origins, thus putting a human face on people otherwise treated as fodder and statistics. Again, not that these market forces absolve the sellers of a moral responsibility, but there is an argument occasionally deployed that slaves would have been slaves anyway. This is a moral argument. If slavery really mattered theyd be campaigning for reparations from the blacks and arabs/moslems who were doing it long before the white man arrived in Africa and was far more devastating. Thankfully the Woke have gifted us an all purpos3e response to this sort of crap. At the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713, Britain was granted the right to supply slaves to the Spanish colonies in the Americas, a right then passed on to the South Sea Company. They organised a boycott of sugar, produced more petitions and hosted meetings. Do I feel like I had anything to do it? Vikings took slaves, including exporting Anglo-Saxons (you must have heard the quote Non Angli, sed Angeli about the English slaves being sold in Italy? Like Fryers book, Olusogas will inspire and will come to be seen as a major effort to address one of the greatest silences in British historiography. Olusoga has benefited from and added significantly to the work of Fryer and other historians such as James Walvin. The rest of this looks like the usual white washing (so to speak) of African slavery. "The way history is viewed is changing. That may have caused more violence. But as someone who is damaged by slavery I have lived in racially mixed communities and I am happy to see Obama and Kamala pay up. True that unlike certain other examples of slavery, you werent likely to be killed as part of a religious sacrifice or as part of your owners funeral. Heroes of 2020 What Marcus Rashford's campaign for hungry children tells us about . Thy did not try to grow or raise the next generation. The enslaved Africans had to wait another five years for their freedom and were not given a penny. As Black British History Month draws to a close, TV historian Prof David Olusoga looks at the impact it's had - and how young people are taking it on. "I have," he admits, "a habit of . We aint paying no goddam reparations & no-ones gonna make us. Reckon they found commenters guessing which parts of a hypothetical argument were meant all part of the fun, In many respects youre one of the posters here whose views on morality Im closest to our personal moralities probably being quite far apart, but I recognise mine as very much the product of my upbringing and surrounding society and know enough about other places and times to realise just how contingent that makes them. Tull played professional football for Northampton but instead of signing up for Glasgow Rangers, he enlisted. The Westman Islands of Iceland have an interesting history in terms of European slavery a major rebellion of presumably mostly Irish (Westmen) slaves was put down there in the typically brutal Scandinavian manner, hence the name, but in the 1600s the local inhabitants were themselves enslaved by Barbary pirates and taken to Algiers, from where a few were ransomed back and one wrote about the experience. Your email address will not be published. Exactly, bis. I imagine few do. The race obsessed Department of Education goes to considerable lengths to distinguish Caribbeans and West Africans. If the alternative was that they were killed? Over 150 years in America. That was a bad experience but he should know that you cannot judge a whole country by what happened when he was young. Both of these need proof. I could just as well feel something else entirely, and Im sceptical of all approaches to impose a supposedly universal, timeless or even just coherent, thats a challenge in itself ethical system. 7 years was the average working lifespan so it is said. The many African-American abolitionists, such as Frederick Douglass, who visited Britain from the 1840s onwards, were well received and, again, thousands of people greeted them and raised money to support their cause. The Celtic version of slavery (which ran to quite a different model) was still going on in the places the Romans didnt reach. But it is Olusoga who keeps insisting that its the Brits who are uniquely responsible.. Olusoga was born in Lagos to a White mother and a Nigerian father who, I hate to say nautrally, did a runner. Would, say, Huguenot-descended South Africans suing France over the 1572 St. Bartholomews Day massacre, or Cornish people suing HMG for the suppression of the 1497 Rebellion, deserve compensation? It seems absurd to me that anyone should be concerned about what happened 200 or 500 years ago. We could just cut to the chase, and impose a reparations tax on anyone who is descended from from anyone who did something, er, wrong. This history of the black presence in . Hes welcome to pursue his line of thought but he should bear in mind that tolerance is, by its nature, in the gift of the powerful. Giles Terera, the Olivier award-winning British performer who starred in the popular theatre production Hamilton, has recently staged a play called the Meaning of Zong about the massacre of 132 enslaved Africans aboard the slave ship Zong in 1781 and the impact it had on Equiano. In 1796, a bill was defeated by only four votes: a group of abolitionist MPs went to the opera and missed the vote. So wherever the wealth came from, it wasnt just slavery (or even mainly), Olusogas an alright presenter but a class A race hustler, Edward Lud August 30, 2020 at 9:12 am We could just cut to the chase, and impose a reparations tax on anyone who is descended from from anyone who did something, er, wrong.. Britain was happy to force the Bevan Boys down coal mines. Make sure it doesnt happen in the least costly way. After all, adult males were all but worthless and demand for women might have been enough to drive the trade anyway. Prof Olusoga is not the only person who has been drawn to Equiano's story. Maybe heard of Saint Balthild, seventh-century English lass sold into slavery, exported to the Continent, served in a palace and ended up marrying the Frankish King?). Oh man. She wasnt interested in my academic pursuit. People seem pretty much agreed on what is right and what is wrong. When Olusoga recalled the experience before television cameras last year, he wept. I have a peeve about the BBC genealogical show Who do you think you are? which I dont know whether has been inflected upon the Left Pond. A House Through Time returned to BBC Two in May for its third season, and once again is fronted by historian extraordinaire David Olusoga. It isnt going to happen anyway. They deliberately bought skewed mostly male gender balance. Pretty much everybody in the West is against slavery. many African tribes kept slaves. And, of course, being half white, he is only entitled to half the reparation payment. Support 100 years of independent journalism. Writing in english is cultural appropriation so STFU. Fuck right off As a winning debating strategy. There is no reason to think one system was more or less brutal than the other. I assume these were usually killed before Europeans turned up and bought them. He was a prominent figure in the campaign to abolish slavery. Indeed, third-century York may have been more ethnically and racially diverse than present-day York. If someone from Portugal or France wants to explain why their country has done a better job of getting the balance right, Im open to hearing it. Cotton was a completely different slave economy. It built slave forts on the African coast, some such as Bunce Island in Sierra Leone furnished with a rape house. Should black history be taught all year round? Its an interesting exercise to consider, given we live within such a system, how or whether that contradiction can be settled. Read about our approach to external linking. As a nation, we still have only a dim understanding of the slave system that funded Sloanes collecting. How does it benefit anyone to make an issue about particular events? So my advice would be, for his own health, STFU. (I suppose it makes a point about blame not being distributed homogeneously, or that a certain group of people shouldnt be guilted just because they share the same colour of skin with another bunch of people you do think are guilty. Its extraordinary success rested upon the foundation of sympathy laid down during the previous 70 years of abolitionist activity in Britain. My first reaction, years and years ago, was thats awful. Flyover Americans arent going to take it. The masses who once supported black freedom now campaigned for the Deep South. The vast majority of Americans are not guilty. White people will take it. And they will go looking for parts of the past that aren't on the curriculum, and they evidently do. I brought up paedophilia to demonstrate that there are things not worth my time. History is just one awful thing after another. But that is not the argument I am making. There is an alternative argument that it is their ancestors who were wronged hence deserve compensation and as descendants theyre entitled to an inherited share (so their portion depends on how many slaves at what position in the family tree) plus interest, regardless of how well theyre doing now. Societies have had a long history of treating minorities harshly. Wider imperialism reparations that include South Asia, China for the Opium Wars and so on, surely even more prohibitively costly, regardless of how effective the education system gets at making young Brits feel a vague sense of guilt about it all. You may concede a point here, a point there. Just means they werent alone in being in the wrong. Now they do. All in all your typical West African is far more likely to have ancestral connections to the slave trade than your typical Brit. It was far too real to her. Had a vault for the more inflammatory pieces. But there have been other societies with slavery where slaves had more autonomy and a greater chance of buying their freedom. His autobiography, The Interesting Narrative of the Life of Olaudah Equiano, details how he was sold into slavery aged 11, his experience of travelling the world as slave to a Royal Navy officer - who renamed him Gustavus Vassa - and how he bought his freedom from his final master, an English merchant in Montserrat. "I first read it as a student and it struck me as something that was very different to other things I was reading about the Atlantic slave trade. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. A newsletter showcasing the finest writing from the ideas section, covering political ideas, philosophy, criticism and intellectual history - sent every Wednesday. And yet Africans and West Indians were banned from the victory parade in 1919. That is a strawman argument at its best. Thats before you get on to the Khoisan and the Zulus, the Carthaginians and Romans, the Vikings versus pretty much anyone else who lived within raiding distance, Theres a fundamental weakness with all theories of universal law or justice, which is that across time and space, the human conception of what is right and just seems to be extremely varied and rarely (to modern Western eyes) pleasant. It costs money to replace them and after a famine the price of slaves would rise. Under English law, damages are assessed as being that amount needed to restore them to the position they would have been, had the event claimed against not occurred. Britain's role in the transatlantic slave trade is part of the national curriculum, although it is not statutory. Would also apply even if down a different family line there had been beneficiaries of the slave trade. It's against this backdrop that Black British History Month was created. In 1861, the Economist stated that nearly four million people in Britain depended directly and indirectly on the cotton industry; a fifth of the entire population. Now Im trying to imagine just what the strongest case for reparations might be, but even in this thought experiment its hard to see what the eligibility criteria for receiving payment should be, what sum should be due, how much proof is required of eligibility not everyone will have a good set of family records etc. Though I dont know where wed get $12 trillion in Confederate currency. Just as how in the 16th century the anti-slavery voices in Europe were overwhelmed, and in the 19th century the abolitionists won out. . Id say the same to the Black Lives Matter people. My family did nothing. I am not so sure about that although it is another argument. This seems rather unlikely. "They were barely known even to historians. Nobody will stop you, honest. Get back to us when youve developed your historicalguiltometer. But that ignores how the demand of outsiders led inevitably to far more supply being provided. That assumes an increase in demand. The good news is that Black Lives Matter may be that trigger. And yes, grand scheme of things, forced choice between living in a central Asian city about to be captured by ticked-off Mongols and an African tribal group about to be captured by profit-hungry slavers then fine, I take the latter hands down. The Sokoto Caliphate probably had as many slaves and a lot fewer free men as the Old South. Theres no point pretending Europeans who profited from either the transatlantic slave trade or the use of slave labour in the Americas were somehow doing a favour to the slaves involved, even if, as it happens but their owners could not have predicted, their surviving descendants ended up financially better off on average than the counterfactual of remaining in Africa. "They look to history not just for inspiration and comfort, not just for heroes and for glorious chapters; they look for history expecting to find challenging stories, painful stories, dark truths, villains as well as heroes. Various among the societies that were agglomerated into Nigeria were more or less involved in that slave trade from the supply end. it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them Away from the creative arts, the Equiano Project aims to promote race equality and he was mentioned in Parliament during a debate on Black History and Cultural Diversity in the Curriculum. There is the Push argument and the Pull argument. Its a replay of the ecology nutters & the trannies. Its a shame TV historian David Olusoga claims it is "palpable nonsense" to say that removing controversial statues "somehow impoverishes history". My great grandfather fought to end slavery in a war. And tolerance is not a given. They are stupid false for America. Yet theyre so many centuries and generations removed from the crime, everybody involved with the decision-making is long-dead and while the responsible state still exists, in practice compensation comes from taxes paid by citizens who had no part in it all. His exposure to Nigerian culture seems quite limited. His choice of subject and his choice of material make that very clear. Should almost go without saying except of course that it doesnt, since clearly not every culture has the same moral gut reaction to it that I do. And even if you personally disagree with it, what would be the strongest argument for some form of legal settlement? Reasonable estimates have some 50% of the inhabitants of the Sokoto Caliphate as late as the late 19th cent being slaves. Olusoga unloads all sorts of characterizations. Just how much should Olusoga receive? We do not know how great the demand for women was. Deliberately shipping that many people that far in order to participate in a newly-created society whose economic system was designed, pretty much from the ground up, around slave labour? You can pay all the reparation for historical slavery related wrongs, real or imaginary, you want. "They do not want British history to be a catalogue of heroes and victories and glorious chapters," he says. Then dont discuss it. His black half can get the half-payment direct from his white half. The Coldest Case in Laramie: yet another bleak true crime podcast, From Sophie Mackintosh to Stephen Moss: new books reviewed in short, Universal Credit falls short of covering the bare essentials. In the 15th and 16th centuries, thousands of pounds of gold were shipped to Europe. Their demands should simply be refused. Black and British: A Forgotten History addresses one of the greatest silences in British historiography. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestmannaeyjar, Slavery in England definitely continued for a couple of generations after the Norman Conquest and Bristol was a major export centre, though there were attempts to ban the export trade in particular (https://www.historytoday.com/archive/normans-and-slavery-breaking-bonds has some interesting quotes from the time). I can then give him the details of other descendants, he can apologise to and compensate. How would Nigeria treat a foreigner like him? 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