We talk all the time. Bob Woodward: Oh, yes, I had teachers at Wheaton. Few people had heard of these journalists when they began compiling relevant facts about . It wasn't just me -- a culture was defined. Passion and obsession intertwine in Fire of Love, With characters wise and reassuring, animated short The Boy, the Mole comforts. The qualities that each other had -- the qualities that they needed [to report Watergate] -- they didnt like. Bernstein was portrayed by Dustin Hoffman in the film version of All the President's Men[28] and by Bruce McCulloch in the 1999 comedy film Dick. He resigned. So, yeah, I think they were friends. All of us do! Most online reference entries and articles do not have page numbers. What does the American Dream mean to you? One of the sources I can now reveal I mean, I have talked about was Senator Goldwater, who was a great friend of my wifes family, and I used to talk to him all the time. Dont tell me never. Get to the bottom of it. That your resources, the resources of the newspaper, should be directed at completing this story, getting the full tale, if you would. All the President's Men was made into a hit motion picture starring Robert Redford as Woodward and Dustin Hoffman as Bernstein (1976). Carl Bernstein has some strong words for what his former colleague's revelations mean for the Trump presidency and democracy itself.On Wednesday The Washington Post published a preview of Bob Woodward's forthcoming book, Rage, in which Trump told Woodward in March that he knew COVID-19 was serious but "wanted to always play it down." Six months later, 190,000 people have died in the U.S. from . That was the key. When Woodward left the Navy, American involvement in Vietnam and domestic opposition to the war were at their height. I didnt like the Navy, I didnt like Vietnam, I didnt like the war, and was disappointed in myself that I didnt figure out how to adjust to being a part of this that I didnt like, and so I didnt quite have the guts to run away or stand on principle. But there's a lot that's not generally known about Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein. One midnight in June 1975, Bernstein watched as Pakula directed a scene. And whats sad about the Nixon presidency is not just the criminality and abuse of power, but the simple truth, to the best of my knowledge at this point, on those tapes no one ever says what would be good, what would be right for the country, what would be best for the country, which of course is what a president is supposed to do. That the difficulties they put up to prevent the truth from coming out had been overcome. Bob Woodward: Its the nature of the business. Mr. Woodward, once you heard one of the burglars say he worked for the CIA, where did you take it from there? Ben Bradlee: He sure did. Ben Bradlee: Because the kids were right. [3] The Star, however, unofficially required a college degree to write for the paper. He was rebellious, which led to him failing out of college. Probably one of my favorite books is All the Kings Men, Robert Penn Warrens book about political corruption in Louisiana and about a reporter who watches this and gets to participate and see, but doesnt have all of the full consequences of the action fall on him. Not, "What did the president know and when did he know it? But of course, that all became academic when the tapes came out. The five Watergate burglars and several other Nixon subordinates, including former U.S. Attorney General Mitchell, were sentenced to prison terms. They had it for three months, and they started to publish it. 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Carl Milton Bernstein (/ b r n s t i n / BURN-steen; born February 14, 1944) is an American investigative journalist and author.While a young reporter for The Washington Post in 1972, Bernstein was teamed up with Bob Woodward, and the two did much of the original news reporting on the Watergate scandal.These scandals led to numerous government investigations and the eventual . Carl had a harder time. David Halberstam, The Powers That Be (1979) places the Bernstein and Woodward story into a history of recent American journalism. But then two by-the-book (sort of) dudes with wide ties and spiral notebooks -- Woodward and Bernstein -- came along in stoppage time to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. The burglary was revealed as part of an extensive program of political espionage and sabotage run by Nixon subordinates at the White House and its political campaign organization, the Committee to Re-Elect the President (CRP, or, as referred to in most later press coverage, CREEP). I didnt start reading seriously until probably junior high school. Bush . He joined broadcast news in a high growth period. I would have been more effective.. But they missed decisive elements of Watergate, notably the payment of hush money to the burglars and the existence of Nixons White House tapes. And he was the one who said that. George W. Bush's Iraq War, in particular, was enabled by a docile press corps and by a feckless generation of lawmakers and judges -- largely the generation that came of age when I did, during those languid Watergate summers. Bob Woodward: About six months after Watergate, after Carl and I had written many of almost all of our main stories, she called me up for lunch. Of course, after the fame of "All the President's Men." His works to date include The Brethren: Inside the Supreme Court; The Man Who Would Be President: Dan Quayle; Wired: The Short Life and Fast Times of John Belushi; Veil: The Secret Ways of the CIA; The Commanders, a look inside the decision-making process behind the 1991 Persian Gulf War; The Agenda: Inside the Clinton White House; The Choice, on the 1996 presidential campaign, and Maestro, on longtime Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan. Bob Woodward: Oh, yes. Were there siblings? Beyond that, the deeper problem of Nixon Exceptionalism is that it established new standards for what constituted presidential misconduct -- standards that weren't based on the discredited ideas of the 1960s, but the "objective" standards of the Watergate era. Together, they became Hollywood icons. You dont have a context for it, so it destroys the very notion of context, because the only context you know as a child is family. It was one of the most incredible feelings that Ive had in my life because, you know, it had been a long time since we had started to work on the story, and I didnt exactly know who I was or who he was -- existentially, it was sort of a total mind----. But the new Woodward and Bernstein piece was remarkably good, in a sense, of placing the crimes of the Nixon White House in a broader campaign of a war against lawful dissent to the Vietnam War that expanded to the media and the opposition Democrats. Five burglars had been caught red-handed in the complex, where the Democratic National Committee had its headquarters; four of them turned out to be ex-CIA agents who did security work for the Republicans. I had a friend who read books like Crime and Punishment by Dostoyevsky. Bernstein was the first to suspect that President Nixon was involved, and he found a laundered check that linked Nixon to the burglary. On the other hand, Carl Bernstein was the child of two Communist activists (per Washingtonian). He wanted to film it from 3:00 in the morning until 8:00 in the morning, and we just told him it was not possible. It appeared on The New York Times Best Seller list for three weeks. An informant in the federal government, it was not until 2005 that the public finally put a name on Deep Throat. By June 17, 1972, what Hunter S. Thompson had famously called "the crest of a high and beautiful wave." of the 1960s had crashed and dissapiated. Ben Bradlee: Nixon himself? Although Woodward and Bernstein were able to link the burglary of Democratic National Headquarters to operatives inside the Nixon White House, and to President Nixons re-election campaign, they were unable at first to prove any direct involvement by the president or his senior staff to either the burglary or its subsequent cover-up. Part of HuffPost Media. Ben Bradlee: From Daniel Ellsberg. So I did not have two years experience. And she decided to do it. The Woodward and Bernstein comparison is apt because it's a reminder that they were Metro Section reporters, not Political desk reporters. We just didnt sleep a hell of a lot. When we found out who had taken it out, it was Hunt, and everybody said, What the hell is Hunt doing taking a book on Teddy Kennedy. But even they seemed to take the wrong lessons from what they'd done. It marked the low point in a country's trust and respect for the highest office of the land and left the nation to question its very foundation. Woodward moved logically. We've received your submission. Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman portrayed them in the 1976 movie. The Watergate scandal may officially date to June 17, 1972, but August 8, 1974 was truly the night they drove ol' Dixie down, as it were; I watched with a sense of awe and disbelief on a 13-inch black-and-white set as our President Nixon resigned, refusing to go to bed, watching his "political obituary" until they finally signed off and played the Star Spangled Banner at 2 a.m. By the time the movie of "All the President's Men" -- the tale of how Washington Post reporters Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward broke some of the big stories of Watergate -- hit the theaters, I was 17 and seeing it with my first girlfriend. Think of that! The duo of Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein have become synonymous with reporting the comings and goings of the Watergate scandal. Woodward lives in Washington, D.C., with his wife, Elsa Walsh, a writer for The New Yorker and the author of Divided Lives. [citation needed], Two years after leaving ABC News, Bernstein released the book Loyalties: A Son's Memoir, in which he revealed that his parents had been members of the Communist Party of America. With astonishing regularity, Woodward has continued to produce bestselling books on previously hidden aspects of American life. Im not really like that anymore, Bernstein said in the interview. Bernstein could be right intuitively -- but dangerous left to himself, Pakula wrote in his notes. Ben Bradlee: Four hundred stories about Watergate in The Washington Post Four hundred in two years and two months. How did you do that? Bob Woodward: June 17, 1972. He attended Yale University on a Naval ROTC scholarship, and majored in history and English literature. In the end, the Watergate scandal brought down a president and made Bob Woodward the most famous investigative reporter in America. As the stakes increased, and as the White House looked more and more threatened, and Nixon himself looked more threatened, and his office became threatened, we just were determined that we werent going to make any silly mistake. ." Such speculation sometimes pointed to W. Mark Felt, a former senior FBI official. Alicia Shepard said, "Carl was the big thinker, and Woodward was the one that [made] sure it got done [T]hey knew that each of them had strengths that the other didn't, and they relied on one another. Shepard discussed it with co-anchor Harry Smith on The Early Show Tuesday. I suspect that most people from the generations that came after mine don't really know that much about Watergate other than that a president resigned in disgrace, the only time that's ever happened. Bob Woodward: Sure. However popular, the heroic-journalist myth is a vast exaggeration of the effect of their work. Where did you work? And he went, CIA, Central Intelligence Agency. And I know my reaction was one of Oh! The duo of Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein have become synonymous with reporting the comings and goings of the Watergate scandal. On June 17, 1972, Woodward was assigned to cover a story about an attempted burglary the night before in which five men had been arrested at the headquarters of the How old were you at the time of that break-in? Carl Bernstein, born on February 14, 1944, in Washington, D.C., began part-time work at the Washington Star at the age of 16 and later dropped out of the University of Maryland to work full-time as a reporter. For example, the newspapers publisher during Watergate, Katharine Graham, pointedly rejected that interpretation during a program 25 years ago at the now-defunct Newseum in suburban Virginia. Bob needed Carl because Carl was pushy. These were the values, after all, that purged America of the evil Richard Nixon -- not the dirty (bleep)ing hippies. Tell us a little bit about what actually happened. He wanted to understand Woodward and Bernstein deeply so he could capture their true characters and motivations for the movie. Woodwards father was a prominent attorney, and hoped that Robert would follow in his footsteps. 1996 - 2023 American AcademyofAchievement. Richard Matthew Pious Then and certainly today, there is still much debate about whether confidential informants are ethically viable due to their hidden identities. Max Frankel, chief of the Washington bureau at the NY Times, famously blocked coverage after hearing from the White House that it wasn't a story, even though they had confirmation early on from FBI . The arrest of the Watergate burglars may have happened in the dead of night, but what came in the months ahead was truly an awakening. They were the first to reveal the tapes, and they were always ahead of the curve, but there was a lot of great reporting done by other people, Sy Hersh, the Los Angeles Times, they all did really good work. We had such good sources. Are you and Bernstein still friends? Kind of parse it out. But she wasnt the editor. There were spies in all the Democratic candidates campaigns that had been planted and paid by the Nixon campaign. It looked like I was going to become a lawyer, and my father to a certain extent was my model. That happened a long time ago. Mr. Woodward, in your bookShadowyou talk about how Nixons presidency affected the presidents whove come since. A day prior, another Washington Post journalist got the first swing at what would become the story of the decade. They had a much-publicized extramarital relationship in 1979. And I was going on an unknown path, and that concerned him, but when I got into it and then went to work for the Post, he was quite supportive. [19] He began investigating the secret cooperation between the CIA and American media during the Cold War. You are trying to find out what really happened. JAWORSKI, LEON The rest of them all got away with it. Carl is Jewish, grew up in the Washington, D.C. area. We're much better friends than we were at the time. And I called my father, who was a judge at that point, or about to become a judge, and said, Im not going to law school, but have this job at a newspaper he had never heard of. Bob Woodward: This is a book I did in 1999 that took the five presidents after Nixon Ford, Carter, Reagan, the first Bush, and Clinton and analyzed the Special Prosecutor law, and showed how that, and the new climate of Congressional activism and media activism, meant the presidency was going to be forever altered. All stability. Woodward and Bernstein reflect on Watergate and its place in American history. So we tried to just keep people out of the building. This was later confirmed by both Woodward and Bernstein. The who-was-Deep-Throat conjecture kept Woodward, Bernstein and the heroic-journalist myth at the center of Watergate conversations. We said Haldeman had controlled the secret fund, according to the Grand Jury testimony of the Nixon Committee treasurer, and he had not testified to that. THIS year marks the 30th anniversary of the movie All the Presidents Men, starring Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman as investigative reporters Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, respectively. We missed the first edition, but we published it the second edition, which came out at 11 oclock at night, 11:30. head of the CRP. Were you the only child? Lewis was with the Post from 1935 until his retirement in 1985. Much of their hard work was a quest for access to anyone who knew the real secrets of the Nixon White House. Between 1980 and 1984, Bernstein was the network's Washington Bureau Chief and then a senior correspondent. He persuaded The Washington Post to give him an unpaid two-week try-out. And it in many ways is, I think, the principle under which she and her son, Don Graham, tried to run The Washington Post. 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